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United War Veterans Council

by Adele
(New Jersey)

Can you provide a rating for United War Veterans Council?

Recently my sister received a phone solicitation from United War Veterans (they neglected to add "of New York") who wanted to schedule clothing pick-up. Its website has drop-off locations for clothing all over NJ.

It looks to me as if United War Veterans does nothing except organize a veterans parade in New York City which is heavily sponsored by large corporations, e.g. UHaul, HBO, etc. Their website says they are a 501(c)(19) organization. Does anyone rate 501(c)(19) organizations?

By the way, the phone solicitor was calling my sister here in NJ from someplace out in the mid-west so I assume she was a telemarketer. I had my sister ask the solicitor for website and she was told unitedwarveterans.org. The "Who We Are" area gives no info other than a form to fill out the donor's own personal information.

I think the phone solicitation is misleading as you think you are actually donating old clothes for redemption by an organization that will benefit veterans, not for use to throw a parade and nothing else.

I and my extended family have been donating to Vietnam Veterans of America (mostly clothing contributions) for years. I don't see a rating for them anywhere online.



Adele,

Thank you for your question about United War Veterans Council (UWVC). Like you, we found very little information online about this organization, including on its own web site.

According to nycservice.org, which was established by the Mayor's Office, UWVC was "chartered by the City of New York to produce the annual Veterans Day parade and other ceremonial events."

As you mentioned, the United War Veterans Council is a tax-exempt organization under Section 501(c)(19) of the Internal Revenue Code. You can find the qualification requirements for tax-exempt veterans organizations at the IRS web site.

We e-mailed UWVC requesting copies of their most recent Form 990 for review. We also asked if they use third-party fundraisers, and if so, what percentage of donations the fundraiser keeps. And we asked what is done with the clothing that is donated.

When we receive a response from United War Veterans Council, we will update this page, so check back here in a few days.

You can find our review of Vietnam Veterans of America by clicking the link.


Readers, if you have any experience with United War Veterans Council, please click "post your own comments" below and let us know.




Update:

Thanks to Frank (below) for reminding us that an update for UWVC was overdue.

Although we never received a response from UWVC, as Frank points out, their tax returns for are available at GuideStar.org.

Here are income and expense details from their 2008 tax return, provided by the IRS:

Total contributions and grants: $95,190

Expenses:
Accounting expenses: $900
Parade expenses: $90,059
Transportation (buses): $10,795
Telephone, fax, beepers: $4,731
Reception & Dinner: $3,817
Meetings and meals: $1,917
Other expenses: $7,764

Total functional expenses: $119,983

Net loss for the year: -$24,793

The expenses were allocated thusly:

Program services: $105,565
Management & general expenses: $14,418
Fundraising expenses: $0
Salaries & wages: $0

Accounting expenses were allocated entirely to management & general expenses.

Of the parade expenses, $84,385 was allocated to program services and $5,674 to management & general expenses.

Transportation expenses went to program expenses, as did the reception and dinner.

Telephone and meeting expenses were divided evenly between program svcs and mgmt & general, with the extra dollar going to M&G.

The "other expenses" (no further information given) were allocated $3,245 to program services, and $4,519 to mgmt & general.

The allocation of these expenses between program services and management and general seems reasonable.

UWVC has liabilities of $35,800, an unpaid loan from Vietnam Veterans of America.

There is no annual report available at GuideStar to provide more information, so we imagine the number shown for contributions is the net number left when the costs of collecting the clothing are subtracted from the expenses of collecting them. Accounting rules permit them to report this way.

We'd like to see that information, because it shows how much is being paid to third-party groups to collect and sell the clothing, which we can’t tell from the way they reported the income. That can put a whole different perspective on the information. For example, they could have received millions of dollars in clothing, and paid millions to collect and re-sell it, leaving a net of $95,190, which would look very different. There’s just no way to know from the information available.



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Apr 14, 2010
Update on UWVC
by: Karen

Do you have any update regarding the UWVC of NY?

I've arranged for their curbside pick up of clothing and household items two times now, and after reading your article on veterans charities, now I'm uncertain if I should do so again.

If all they (UWVC) do is plan an annual parade, then I doubt we'll donate any more items. I'd rather they go to Salvation Army or Goodwill.




Karen, thank you for your interest. Unfortunately, we have not yet received any response from UWVC. We'll post it as soon as we receive something, so please bookmark this page and keep checking for updates.


Apr 26, 2010
clothing pick ups
by: Joe Woo

got a " call " last night and Hung Up .... got another call this morning , WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? and what do they supposedly do with the clothes.




Joe, thank you for your inquiry. Unfortunately, we still have not received any response from United War Veterans Council, so we cannot answer your question.

Perhaps you can ask it when they call the next time, and let us know what kind of response you get.

Thank you for your interest in helping our nation's veterans and your interest in Military-Money-Matters.com.




Apr 26, 2010
Received call from UWVC
by: Janet

I received a call from UWVC and said it was ok for them to pick up a bag of clothing, but after not being able to find out any information, I will not put a bag out.




Hi Janet, might we ask you to do this instead? Go ahead and put out a bag with just a few things in it (so they'll pick it up). But in the bag, enclose an anonymous note that says something like this:

"I and others who have donated clothing to you in the past would like to know more information about what is being done with the clothing you collect, what programs you support and what percentage of your revenues actually go to helping veterans.

Military-Money-Matters.com has requested that information from United War Veterans Council but has received no response. Until a response is provided, we will not be making any further donations, and we will be advising our friends and neighbors to do the same."

Maybe that would help them "get the message" that donors ARE interested in what is being done with their donations, and if they're not willing to answer those questions, their donations will take a nosedive.

Thanks for your help and support.



Apr 26, 2010
Forget these bozos
by: John G.

There are so many red flags in this organization's solicitation.

Doesn't provide information to this website, doesn't provide information to charity-watch organizations, doesn't provide any information on its OWN website.

There are so many great veterans charities and thrift store organizations, why take a chance with these bozos?


Apr 27, 2010
Clever mail marketing idea
by: Barbara

In yesterday's mail I received a card from this group encased in a cellophane wrapper along with a large white bag printed with the group's address, etc. The card gave no specific ways of helping veterans, nor did it mention how they used all the items they collect (give to veterans, sell to the needy and use money to help vets, or whatever). They said they would come pick up the filled bag, rain or shine, on May 11 -- or I could call to change the date.

After checking various web sites I could come up with nothing other than they put on a parade in NYC. I will stick with the Salvation Army and Goodwill!




Barbara, thanks for your comments. You might want to see our response to Janet a bit earlier in this thread, where we suggested that she put out a few items, along with a note to let the group know that you don't intend to donate again, and why. Maybe with enough pressure, we can convince them that people do want to know what they're doing with donations.


Apr 28, 2010
Put your bag out May 6th ...........or not
by: Anonymous

Well here I am. Like everyone else I got a call asking for donations, and today I got a follow up white plastic bag in the mail asking again for clothing donations.

Are these people naked or something? I don't know why they want my things so bad, anyone who fits in my clothes isn't starving!!

I think I will pass them up and just give to the Salvation Army. who by the way also called today!!




You may want to do what we've asked Janet and Barbara to do. If you don't put out anything, they won't get the message.

But if you put out a bag for them to pick up, with only two or three things in it, along with a note explaining why you're not donating to them any more, we might be able to get them to understand that we DO care about what's being done with our donations, and how the money is being spent. See our response to Janet for suggested wording for your note.



Apr 29, 2010
I'm Making a UWVC Donation
by: NJGRANNY

About a month ago we got a call for donation from United War Veterans Council. We are donating our encyclopedia set for which we paid over $1500 in '86.

In my heart, I understand that honoring the veterans with a parade costs money. When I started reading previous comments, I was almost ready to not put my donation near the curb for tomorrow's pickup.

But when I think of how proud I am every time I see veterans marching in a parade, this is a small way on our part for their honor.

If the UWVC is a fraud, hey, I sleep well at night knowing I did a good thing. If they're taking advantage of our hearts and good intent, well then it's on them.

I do appreciate this website and I do intend on coming back to read more. Thank you.




Dear Granny, thank you for those kind words, and for adding your comments to our discussion.

You are correct -- putting on a parade does cost money, and there are costs to each group participating in a parade.

We also agree with your sentiment that it is appropriate for us to honor our veterans in parades.

I think some donors were just surprised to find out how their donations are being used. Apparently, some thought the used clothing they donated was going into a thrift shop where it would eventually go to a veteran in need. They were surprised to learn that the clothing was being sold in bulk, and the proceeds were being used to finance a parade.

Either way, the decision whether to donate, and to whom, is yours. We are providing the information about various charities so you can make a more informed decision.



Apr 30, 2010
NJ Clothing pickup
by: Anonymous

Hi all,

We just donated clothing, books, etc. to UWVC and they gave us a pamphlet with a link to their website. Hope this helps.

http://www.uwvcpickup.org/gd.donations/main/dynamic.aspx?page=whoweare


May 03, 2010
Donations are sold
by: Anonymous

I was just told they send the donations to retail locations to be sold.

I don't mind supporting Veterans whether it's for a parade or medical bills or just to cheer them up by sending cards.

Why can't we do all of these things?


May 03, 2010
Canceled my pick-up
by: NJ

I received a call from UWVC on Saturday for pick-up tomorrow (Tuesday). I actually have a few bags of clothes to donate, so I figured WHY NOT?!

This morning I attempted to research UWVC and came up with no details except this site, so I called to cancel my pick-up. After waiting on hold for 10 minutes, someone picked up (888-821-8982). I asked them to cancel my order, then she became very short with me - not nasty, but short for sure. I will not be donating my items to them.


May 11, 2010
Thanks for Providing Info on Veterans Charities
by: Anonymous

I have clothes set aside to donate to UWVC but something told me to check them out. Went to their website and they gave no info on who they are. If they can't offer that, bells go off.

So thank you all for your previous comments on this board, they were helpful.

Donations to veterans is the way to go, IMO. Perhaps I'll contact my local VFW and see, personally, who can use some good clothing.


May 18, 2010
UWVC has Valuable Mission
by: Anonymous

As a result of receiving a postcard, and a number of phone calls to them, I have just had a pick-up of my first donation to UWVC. I found that the answers to my questions were forthcoming (donations are made to thrift shops and proceeds are used to meet veterans' needs).

I agree with "Granny" that even if the proceeds are used "only" to support the parade, that is a valuable and necessary tribute to our veterans that I am willing and eager to support. (The brochure left upon the pick-up indicates that UWVC's mission is "to honor the men and women in our Armed Forces who have served and are serving our country, in peace time and war.")

My impression is that the UWVC is a well organized, professional and reliable group. I support their mission and will be making future donations not only to help their efforts but also because their pick-up is a valued and reliable service.


May 26, 2010
Remembrance of Those Who Serve
by: Liz

I am really glad all these comments were posted. I hear about fake charities all the time and worry that what I give is going into a conman's pocket and not helping anyone.

Knowing what they do eases my mind... so thanks everyone!

I just wanted to add what was written on the card I received:

"The UWVC works to ensure the public is constantly reminded of the sacrifice and service of our veterans and military. Our initiatives play a crucial role in achieving public support for the many important programs that benefit these men and women and their families."

A bit of a repeat of what others have said, but I do think funding public remembrance of those who serve is a good thing!


Jul 01, 2010
Support the Veterans and help others also.
by: Cindy

I have donated to the UWVC multiple times. I recently discovered where the donations go!

Here on Long Island, NY, a store named Unique Boutique sells the items. There is everything, except food and grocery store items. The prices are very reasonable, jeans less than $10, mostly around $5, a book case $15, shoes $3, all kinds of electronics (didn't check the price), lots of baby stuff (also dctp), you get the idea.

The merchandise was, for the most part, in great condition and the store is clean and organized. There are people that can help, just like a real department store.

In a nutshell, I am proud to support an organization that supports the Veterans and also helps people that can't shop in full price department stores, yet like nice things. It's like getting 2-for-1.

I was raised with Thrift Shop shopping and in recent years many organizations that collect donations are not pricing the items at prices that are affordable to the people who shop in Thrift Shops. These and a few other reasons (I could go on & on) are why I am honored to donate to the United War Veterans Council.

Just have to share this one, A WEDDING DRESS, gorgeous, $25.00! Just think how many people received joy from that donation!


Jul 15, 2010
NO DOUBT A TELEMARKETER AND NOTHING ELSE
by: Bravo 26 on the DMZ

Just received a call from "Cindy" who wouldn't say where she was calling from ......

I told her I'm a 63 year old military retiree and Vietnam Combat veteran, and never heard of them. She was reading a script that they were founded in 1812 !! (Wonder if they were collecting clothes during the Battle of New Orleans???)

I kept her on the phone long enough to bring them up on the web and saw this site, so I decided to add my two cents. I've been giving to the VVA for many years, and know first hand that the VVA donations are put to excellent use.

"Cindy" says the UWVC items go into a Thrift Shop for re-sale to help Vets. "How?" I inquired. There was a full minute of silence............. then a dial tone.

I think this ranks with the million bucks the dead uncle I never knew living in Nigeria left me (in a suitcase........ it's always a suitcase), "if only I wire $25,000" to have it hand delivered by armed courier to my door.

If they call - have them talk to your dog or parrot for a few minutes. Ask for a donation to your local house of worship and tell them the congregation are all veterans. Or ask them to sponsor a parade in your hometown.


Jul 15, 2010
TODAY'S CHARITY CALL
by: Lucille

Received a call today from Cindy, who stated she was a telemarketeer being paid by numerous organizations, and representing UWVC on this call. I inquired as to what happens to the donated clothing. She stated they sell the clothing. I asked what the money from the sale was used for. She stated she didn't know-"it just helps veterans".

I give to the DAV,VFW, VVA, local County and Town Clothing Drives because I know that good used clothing will be given away, not sold for operating expenses and staff salaries.

I can just see that Cadillac Escalade pulling up to the Long Island Thrift Shop, the dark glass window in the rear going down, a puff of fine Cuban cigar smoke exiting the open window, and a guy in a plumed hat asking: "What's today's take ??"

If you like parades, and self-inspired Stimulus Plans, here's your charity. But....no KMart clothing, please........


Jul 24, 2010
questionable charity
by: Anonymous

Just a thought, as I've read the entire thread, and not a single post to this effect... I went on the better business bureau's website (bbb.org), and there in not a single mention of this charity.

Questionable for sure. Check it out yourself.

I will find a more reputable veteran's charity, as I believe strongly in our armed forces and veterans.




Thank you for supporting our veterans.

You should be aware that the Better Business Bureau charges a handsome fee to review and list charities, so some charities choose not to spend donation money to pay the BBB to list them. Not being listed by BBB doesn't mean it's not a legitimate charity.

You can check GuideStar.org, or CharityNavigator.org, although there is no one organization that has review of every charity. There are just too many. The IRS also publishes a list of approved charities on its web site, www.irs.gov.



Jul 25, 2010
accountability reports?
by: Anonymous

I received a postcard/plastic bag for donations about a week ago. When I called the contact said, items are sold in bulk and donations used to fund veteran programs. No more details than that. Like others, I went to their website which offered little help.

In spite of this, I scheduled a pickup for tomorrow for used business books (I didn't find any other agencies willing to take them); I printed out a note to include in the bag.

I was under impression all non-profit agencies were required to submit annual reports?




All non-profit organizations are required to file annual tax returns that show their activities for the year.


Jul 28, 2010
A Sucker is Born
by: Len

The whole point is the concern that the goods you give them and that they get money for ends up mostly in someones wallet!

You people just don't get it! If this Charity was above board they would be forthcoming with where the money goes. All legit charities are open and above board. Proven fact.

The fact that they don't submit that information is a red flag that most of the money they get DOES NOT go for the charitable work they promote.

So they sponsor a parade. Big deal! If 90 cents of every dollar they collect is for salaries then this is a bogus charity and you are supporting fraud!




Len, we like to keep things friendly here, so I deleted your name-calling. I don't know where you got your information, but according to UWVC's tax return, it pays no salaries at all.

Apparently, everyone who works for them is a volunteer. So your comments aren't really applicable with regard to UWVC, although there are some others who do pay exhorbitant salaries.



Aug 13, 2010
United War Veterans Council
by: Mike from NJ

I have given to the United War Veterans Council in the past but decided to look them up.

Wow, I guess I wasn't aware of all the "lack of information"

I guess if they were above board they would certainly be open with information.

__SMILE__ Think they are smart enough to read this site?

Mike


Aug 29, 2010
Here's where clothing donated to UWVC goes
by: Carol Mirek

So I have given to UWVC and the lupus foundation in the past, but after reading this article I will no longer be giving to either of these charities.

The amount of money the charities get from stuff we donate is very sad, and this big company that is held privately is making a huge amount of money from our donations. SAD, SAD, SAD!

Please spread the word, and if you can recommend other places where my donations will be put to better use, please let me know. Thank you.


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/unique_thrift_stores_are_newes.html


Sep 10, 2010
Info from UWVC tax return
by: Frank from Long Island

Caller ID led me to this phone number (I didn't answer), which in turn led me to this discussion. As a rule, I don't contribute to charities I'm not well-acquainted with. I also shy away from donating clothing, ever since I learned that clothes are often sliced up into rags.

Reading the commentary above only reinforced my suspicions, as did the dearth of information on the Council's web site. I did go one step further, because I thought it would provide damning evidence. I looked up the organization's Form 990 (tax-exempt return) with the IRS, using GuideStar.

Although I'm not an accountant, it seems to me that the organization is legitimate. According to the returns for the three years available, its three to four officers took no salary. Their receipts (presumably from the sale of used clothing) were $60,150, $85,857 and $95,190 for 2006-2008. Their expenses were $58,553, $70,027 and $119,983. Thus, they came out ahead in two years ($1597 and $15,830) and sustained a loss in 2008 ($24,793).

Taking the latest year (2008) expenses, the total of $119,983 was comprised of $105,565 for program (i.e., running the parade, bus rental, etc.) and $14,418 for management and general expenses.

Only 12% of their income is spent on overhead. This does not strike me as excessive.

I'm still disinclined to donate my clothing to UWVC; I can think of many ways that will help people in more substantial ways than by throwing a parade. However, my own suspicions about the organization have been allayed.




Frank, thank you for reminding us that an update on this organization is overdue. As you pointed out, their tax returns are available at Guidestar.org. We have updated our comments at the top of the page.



Sep 18, 2010
Reputable charities know about websites
by: Jennifer

Now that I've read through all the comments here, I will take the nice plastic bag I received from UWVC and deliver it and all the items in it to my local Salvation Army.

My brother is a veteran, I strongly support ongoing recognition of veterans and I would be happy to contribute to a parade.

However, the lack of information from this organization makes everything very questionable. Their yearly revenue, their operating expenses, their officers, should all be listed on their website.

The world has changed - kind, well-intentioned people are not so easily preyed upon any more.




Jennifer, thank you for your comments. We have now updated our report above, in response to Frank's earlier comment.


Sep 20, 2010
Think about your donations....
by: TS from NJ

Was researching a charity request made to my 90-ish mom (that turned out to be a not-recommended group) when I decided to look into the UWVC requests, which I get along with Lupus.

Have never had a phone call from either, but am familiar with collection events that want good clothes, shoes, toys, etc, run by schools, churches, etc.

I asked the church lady what is done with the items. She said the sponsoring group gets 10 cents/lb., and she bragged that they make over $400 each drive, so that's a LOT of donations.

The items are sold in eastern Europe (black market?) and some given to the poor in Appalachia. Some events or collection sites stress the stuff is not made into rags and only want good items.

In my rural area there are many thrift shops run by churches (mostly Methodist). Almost every town has at least one, not to mention for-profit consignment shops.

Immigrant populations are huge supporters of these thrift shops, plus those who are finding money tight, or are just out for a bargain. I like the idea of keeping my donation local and support these. However, if you really like that the stuff will be picked up with no effort from you, then give to one of these pick-up groups.

To me, UWVC sounds like a schlock operation. My used coat is worth more than 10 cents/lb.!

THX for listening!


Oct 07, 2010
Ask Questions
by: Fran

There aren't many (except perhaps those picketing military funerals currently being reviewed by the Supreme court) who don't want to "honor our veterans".

For Granny and others I would just suggest - ask one word - "HOW" are you honoring them. Words are cheap and easy. How exactly are those profits from that "nice clean" store being used?

Scams are insidious and hide under the cover of patriotism or religion, and count on your emotions to overcome reason. If a "charity" spends 98% on "administration" and 2% on operations - it's a scam.

There are plenty of true charity organizations whose money goes mostly into giving, not taking.

Exactly as in politics, it's your choice whether to let the wool be pulled over your eyes, but it takes a little effort. Scammers count on your not wanting to put in the effort.



Oct 18, 2010
Glad I Actually Looked it Up.
by: BMW

I too, got the postcard and plastic bag for pick up. It came at a convenient time, as I had just had a garage sale, and was left with a few items that I thought would benefit someone in need.

I went on line to schedule a pick-up and was surprised at the lack of information. Which then lead me to this website.

I will do as was suggested to a couple of people, and I will schedule the pick up, but only donate a few things. I will enclose a note asking for more info. or I won't donate again, and I will tell my friends and neighbors the same.

Hopefully they will update their website with clearer info.


Oct 24, 2010
time to take action
by: Anonymous

It's obvious this organization is BULL.

Get back at these frauds, tell them to come to your house and put NOTHING out, make them waste their time and fuel so it becomes costly to them.




We do not agree with this reader that UWVC is a fraud, and making them waste time and fuel only decreases the amount they have available to help veterans. Instead, see our suggestions to earlier comments.



Oct 28, 2010
BBB Doesn't List UWVC
by: Anonymous

In the past, I have donated clothes, toys, books, shoes, etc., two times. But somehow I didn't feel right.

Is this charity organization real? Or somebody using the name of "United War Veterans Council" and doing this business?

I checked B.B.B. They cannot find United War Veterans Council.




Anon, if you will read our review and the other comments here, you will find the answer to your questions.

As for BBB, some charities choose not to be reviewed by BBB because of the hefty fee charged by BBB for the review and listing. Not being listed by BBB is not an indication that anything is amiss, so don't let that concern you.



Oct 28, 2010
Thread Delivery
by: Bob-in-NJ

I am scheduled for a pickup tomorrow. Instead of putting items out, I will print this entire thread and ask that they please contact military-money-matters.com with full disclosure of their finances.

If they are legitimate and really looking to do worthwhile charity work, they obviously will do so. If not, I will post again in 1 week warning everyone.

I'm moving and have LOTS of goods to get rid of, so I won't feel too bad if the end result is that they have to come again, but are able to gain the confidence of those visiting this site. Marking my calendar now.

They have until 11/5 to come forth with information... parade or no parade.




Bob, we thank you for your support, and appreciate your efforts.

But in all fairness to UWVC, this is probably their busiest time of year, and I'm sure they're busily getting ready for NYC's Veterans Day Parade.

Perhaps giving them a little more time after the parade is over would be appropriate.

We look forward to their response.



Nov 01, 2010
Weighing the good with the bad
by: Anonymous

I'm in the same boat as others here. Getting ready to make a donation and wanted to check on UWVC.

I don't think the charity is "bull"...they are probably passionate about what they do.

But after reading the article posted by Carol Mirek above, it seems that they only way that UWVC can accomplish its goals is to use a 3rd party for-profit thrift store chain to sell the things it collects. Unfortunately, the company that owns these thrift stores (a company called Apogee) makes a lot of money off of these donations...far more than UWVC does.

I feel trapped since I really want to donate these things and want to help an organization that may need help, but I don't want to personally fund "Apogee."

The other thing I'll say (being selfish here) is that UWVC makes it very, very easy to donate to them. I've had trouble finding charities that want certain things like household decor items, and some don't even want any more clothing. But UWVC takes most of these things with no scheduling hassles.

So for me it is a balance of convenience with doing as much good as I can for the right organizations.

I wish it was easier.


Nov 10, 2010
UWVC is a Great Organization
by: Stu

As a participant in the NYC Veterans Day Parade and former volunteer with the UWVC for seven years 1995-2001, I can attest that the UWVC is real and worthy of your support. More importantly, your donations are not being wasted and no one is getting rich.

The Council is made up of representatives from area Veterans Organizations (VFW, American Legion, VVA...). It has an all volunteer Board of Directors with a small paid staff (all Vets) that ramps up in October to produce the Parade.

The 501-c-19 tax exempt status is an IRS code for Non-profit Military Service Organizations.

You don't see much of the UWVC on the internet as it is a Council of representative from the Veterans Organizations that you do see on the Internet.

The UWVC actually has three mandtes; produce traditional military ceremonies (of which the NYC Veterans Day Parade is the largest in America. And it costs money to do anything in NYC), Oversee the Maintenance of the Cities 300 War Memorials, and Advocate Veterans Issues (the City's Borden Avenue Veterans Residence (an exclusive shelter for Veterans) was a result of the efforts of the Council.

In 1995 and 2000, the Department of Defense recognized the UWVC and the New York City Veterans Day Parade as the Official National Ceremony for the 50th Anniversay of WWII (1995) and Korea (2000). A bogus organization would not have survived the scurinty to be named National Events with the participation of 10,000 active duty troops (documented in the Nov. 12, 1995 New York Times and references the UWVC).

The UWVC was founded in 1898 by Veterans from the Spanish American War, it faded a bit when the American Legion gained in numbers after WWII and took over the role of producing the New York City Veterans Day Parade.

The Vietnam Veterans of America - Manhattan Chapter 126 then took over producing the Parade in the 1980s. In 1993 leaders from the various veterans organizations had a Parade meeting in the Mayor's Office of Veterans Affairs in NYC. The Mayor's Office had archives from previous Parades and the committee realized that veterans like them had been meeting prior to WWII for the same purpose and it was not new.

The committee again formalized the group as the United War Veterans Council, just as the Spanish American War veterans had done, to continue the traditions.

No one is getting rich at the UWVC. They are veterans looking after veterans and veterans' issues. The New York City Mayor's Office of Veterans Affairs can verify this information as the City donates office space to the UWVC.




Stu, thank you for taking the time to add a first-hand perspective on UWVC. Documents tell only part of the story, and we appreciate having your personal insight from having worked with the group.

With Veterans Day approaching tomorrow, we'd like to thank UWVC for its efforts in hosting the NYC Parade, and wish you clear skies and beautiful weather for the parade.

Happy Veterans Day!





Nov 20, 2010
UWVC Pres. Joining Advisory Board for Veterans Aid
by: Anonymous

UWVC President Vince McGowan serves on the Advisory Board of a new group called VeteransAid, which is positioning itself as a sort of "United Way" for veterans charities. Also on the advisory board is Tom Scozzafava (do a search), CEO of corporate sponsor Sackets Harbor Brewing Company.

Anything he is associated with is most likely NOT gonna turn out well. Here's one link, PLEASE do a search on Tom and then contact all parties involved to let them know what you found.

STOP him before some Vets get gypped.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Harbor-Brewing-Company-Incs-iw-4037800183.html?x=0&.v=1#mwpphu-post-form


Dec 15, 2010
Phone Calls Are A Pain
by: Mike

Based on what I've read here, the UWVC isn't going to get anything from me.

But what I object to most are the phone calls. I realize that as a charity, they are not required to abide by the government's do-not-call list, but isn't there some way I can get them to stop calling?

Half the time there's nobody on the other end when I answer the phone. What a pain!




Mike, you may be interested in this information on How to Stop Unwanted Charity Calls from Telemarketing Services.


Dec 21, 2010
UWVC
by: Anonymous

UWVC is an upstanding, longstanding group of Veterans who work second jobs to honor our Veterans.

Not only do they put on a parade in NYC but they also are liaisons for many of our returning Veterans who are in need.

Nobody makes money over there. Somebody should take a good look at the Wounded Warriors and all their high paid salaries for there executives. UWVC board doesn't take a dime,


Dec 23, 2010
Do i listen to the angel or the devil on my shoulders?
by: andrea

After reading all these comments from the beginning, I am still going to put the donation bag outside because I was most impressed by Stu's well-written and most informative post regarding the history of UWVC.

I don't need these coats, someone else probably does and if it benefits veterans even slightly it is worth it. The fact that a third party is generating a portion of revenue is inevitable, and possibly deserved for the benefits to our vets.

PS.... but just in case, I'm putting the fur lined black leather back in my closet.......


Jan 02, 2011
Mugging Students on Veterans Day
by: Anonymous

What would you do if a commercial "tour group" was selling patriotism (Veterans Day Parade) to high schools around the country and having high school musicians raise funds (car washes, candy bars, magazines, baby sitting etc.) for the benefit of that "tour groups" contracted hotels, restaurants, buses, boat trips etc...?

Kids and band leaders are sold the idea that they will "honor service" by marching in the Veterans Day Parade. Unfortunately, their time and hard earned money would have been better spent helping a veteran in their own community or by raising awareness about the issues veterans face. These students need to understand that their patriotism does not need to be negotiated or defined by a "for profit" tour operator. If students are seeking a trip to New York City to see the greatest city in the world....let the reason for coming to NYC be honest and not veiled in patriotism.


Jan 09, 2011
The Veterans Day Parade
by: Anonymous

I cannot speak to UWVC but have read all of the comments. Stu's review does seem to support sufficient legitimacy to the organization.

What I'd like to address is the Veteran's Day Parade. President Lincoln made a promise to all veterans: "To care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan."

Our nation's ability to keep that promise is directly tied to the understanding for each generation of how significant a contribution putting one's life at risk is and the debt we owe to those who do. In that regard, being reminded of the sacrifice and service of our veterans and military is a most laudable work.

I too would certainly prefer that my donations went directly to veterans. But it may be unrealistic.

This is a way to donate to an important parade and to care of national memorials. If that's not a good enough cause, there are plenty of other options.

But for anyone who has visited a memorial, marched or watched a parade, that's enough.

We must Never forget!


Jan 09, 2011
Recent UWVC Sponsored Events
by: Anonymous

PS- Here (from their website) is a listing of recent UWVC sponsored events.


Jan 11, 2011
UWVC has picked up at my home 4 times
by: Sandy M.

I appreciate the information that the others provided. I was just about to donate money to another veteran's organization and as I was checking on their reputation, I thought that maybe I should check on the UWVC since I had donated to them in the past.

I assumed they were legitimate. When they first cold called my house, I was thrilled with what they would take and also that they picked up. The UWVC came when they said they would and picked up everything I gave them.

I trust they are using the money from the sale of the donated items for veteran expenses and I hope that anyone that has more information will post it.


Jan 27, 2011
IT AIN'T ALL ABOUT MONEY!
by: Anonymous

In response to the Jan 02, 2011 posting about UWVC mugging young people...

Don't want to give money or old items for them to sell to raise operating cash? Then join them in visiting wounded soldiers in hospitals.

I am a Vietnam Era Vet. I volunteered; I was not drafted. I have also volunteered my time in support of UWVC activities like the parade and the raising of Gold Star Christmas Trees in NYC's Vietnam Memorial Park in downtown Manhattan (Dec 2010).

UWVC is chartered by the city to run the parade, so what? If you meet these guys in person, you find they too are Vets. Many volunteers; none are rich from their association with UWVC. The ones I met are good-hearted real ex-GIs who want to honor the service we all gave and many are giving now.

When I was in the military, people would spit at us, yes Americans who didn't like what was happening in Vietnam. Very few soldiers back then liked what was going on either.

Today, in teaching my son to be a good citizen and patriot, I am glad we have programs like a parade with all the excitement of marching bands and floats and military people marching.

It is highly effective in bringing awareness to the population at large as to the sacrifices the volunteers in our armed forces make. Fathers and mothers who are separated from their families for long periods, and some who pay the ultimate price. To ask a HS student to come and march in a parade to commemorate these men and women is not mugging them!

Separate the politics of war and the service men and women who are not permitted to pass moral judgments on military actions, but simply carry out their orders.

If you want to know what goes on inside the UWVC then VOLUNTEER YOUR TIME!

Thousands of other legit non-profits use for-profit telemarketing fund raising services. Of course there is a cost for this. So what? Are you ready to volunteer your time to do the soliciting for donations?

This web site is a horror and disservice to our dead and wounded vets. The initial visit to this page immediately convinces you you've found a scam. For a web surfer the landing page "is the visit" and only what actually fits within the screen. Very few people will scroll and reading months of threads.

The "updates" are buried way deep, not at the top of the page. There you see only suspicion and conjecture.




We first asked UWVC directly for information. Their refusal to respond suggests there may be something to hide.

When readers ask questions about veterans charities, the question is published first. Anyone interested in the answer will read it.

As for this, "This web site is a horror and disservice to our dead and wounded vets," hundreds of readers disagree. As a veteran, you should at least appreciate the amount of time we spend, unpaid, to publish it.

You have condemned an 800+-page site based on one page you read. Perhaps you should apply the same standard to yourself and have a look around.


Feb 10, 2011
Some UWVC Information
by: Pamela, NJ

I, too, have been contacted by the United War Veterans Council of NY and donated many items to them last year. The drivers were friendly and courteous, and I was happy they took such a variety of items. Recently, they contacted me about another pickup, which I just postponed so I could do a little more research.

While I had the young woman on the phone, I asked her what happens to the donations. I also told her that I had emailed info@unitedwarveterans.org about this but did not get a response. She was very polite and apologized for the non-response, stating that the donations are sold to thrift stores, and that 100% of the proceeds go to UWVC.

I asked her which stores, and she said Unique Thrift Stores and Value Village, both of which I found online: http://uniquethriftstoremd.com/ and http://www.valuevillage.com/FAQs.aspx. These sites provide information about how the stores manage donations with their "nonprofit partners."

Also, UWVC has two websites, the foundation site and the pickup-scheduling site: http://unitedwarveterans.org/site/ and
http://www.uwvcpickup.org/gd.donations/default.aspx. The foundation site contact email has changed slightly to info2@unitedwarveterans.org (the "2" has been added). The phone number listed matches the one that today's caller gave me: 212-693-1476.

I am wondering how diligently Military-Money-Matters.com followed up with UWVC? The email address has changed slightly, and I will try it again. But I was able to obtain information today by phone easily--it wasn't complete background, but I did receive answers to some of my questions. I have not yet tried calling the foundation headquarters number.

We all should consider doing further investigation into the organizations we choose to support. Even if personal preference dictates donating to other charities that have more direct contact with recipients, I am comfortable donating to this organization in the absence of any truly negative information about them.

Before I schedule another pickup, I will look into this further. But I strongly doubt that they are a "scam" group--and they accept many items that other charities may not, so this is preferable to having those items cluttering my garage. And even if "all" they do is organize veteran events, that is still a way to honor those who have served our country.




Pamela, thank you for your comments.

I make these requests by e-mail for several reasons. One is that it frequently is after hours, when no one will answer the phone, when I work on the site. (It is currently 11:45 p.m. on Sunday night.)

The other is that I need copies of their tax returns to review to find out where the money goes, and those can't be provided by phone.

I don't get paid for providing the free information you find here. I do it as a labor of love to show my appreciation to the fine men and women who have chosen service to our nation, and their families. I do the best I can in the time I have available.



Feb 22, 2011
Donations
by: Anonymous

Spoke with the pick up people and they told me the organization runs a thrift shop in NYC and what is not sold gets shipped overseas, South America.


Mar 04, 2011
Delighted to find this group
by: Julie

I love a good parade, having been in parades myself.

This is the only group I have found that will take just about everything including books and magazines. After helping people move and taking their extra stuff, so it wouldn't end up in a trash can and landfill, I discovered that many local thrift shops wouldn't take clothes, books, stuffed animals, or furniture because they were full.

Salvation Army wouldn't take furniture either. One very hot and humid day, after phoning a new thrift that said they would take all this stuff, I loaded up my car, drove in circles 'cause address not on door, found this new thrift. It was closed for lunch. I waited an hour in unshaded parking lot, had to help remove the items they would take and never got the promised tax receipt.

I'm 70 years old and it's just too hard to load up my car, drag this stuff into the thrifts, knowing that I will find more bargains and bring more stuff home.

UWVC is doing me a big favor by taking this salvaged stuff and things I no longer need. I'm telling all my friends to take advantage of this free service.


Mar 17, 2011
Receipts
by: Kris

I've given to several organizations that have called or sent mail and this is the only one that took everything AND left a receipt.

They aren't sending the goods overseas to sell to third world countries which is common for other groups, so I'll continue to leave items out for them.


Mar 27, 2011
Thanks to Military Money Matters & Readers
by: Denise - NJ (rural)

Thank you so much for taking time to create this website. I also appreciate the contributors and readers regarding the UWVC.

As a result, I am motivated to first get more directly involved in supporting military families here in New Jersey. I would like to especially honor my Dad's service in Korea.

In the meantime, I will support the New York parade, and donate. And I need to be more conscientious about the individual/family sacrifice that is, and has been, made for my freedom as a citizen of the United States.

I can also relate to wondering where our donations go. I recently donated a valuable purse only to watch the most wealthiest volunteer grab it. In my area, there are many who are in need both seniors, and men/women of all ages - visibly in need. Hopefully this person will actually use it, and not hoard it.:)

We can only do our best and keep giving to legitimate organizations but we cannot control everyone's actions. A hard thing to accept while true.

Blessings, Love and Peace.




Denise, thank you for taking the time to send us your comments. Comments like yours are the pay we get for the time and resources we donate to creating and maintaining this free web site where we try to raise awareness of the sacrifices made by our military families, and to provide resources to help them live a better quality of life.

And thank you for resolving to become more involved. Our military families and veterans thank you.




Apr 22, 2011
Alternatives?
by: Anonymous

After reading this entire thread, I feel totally comfortable donating my books and records to UWVC. However, it turns out that it's not feasible at this point.

I have about 1000 books and almost 5000 records (as of now and at least the same amount to donate a few months from now) and they require that everything be left outside for pickup (rain or shine).

They told me that they cannot enter a house to pick up anything. I am not able to take all of books/records I have and carry them outside, which is why I can't donate to them at this time.

I can tell from this thread that there are lots of generous people out there that give to charities, so I was wondering if anyone knows of any other veterans charities that might have the resources to meet my needs for help donating.

Thank you.




Perhaps if you could post back and let us know where you live, someone might be able to make a better suggestion for you.




Good point regarding the location - I guess that would have helped. The house is in Queens, New York.

Thank you!!

May 16, 2011
KUDOS TO UWVC
by: LRP

IF ALL THE UVWC DOES IS RAISE MONEY TO PUT ON A PARADE FOR VETERANS,...WHY WOULD YOU OBJECT TO THAT?

YOU DON'T WANT TO CELEBRATE OUR VETERANS AND TROOPS WHO KEEP AMERICA SAFE?

WHY DOES UWVC HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, THAT SEEMS QUITE ENOUGH.

HAVE YOU TRIED TO PUT ON A PARADE?

THERE SEEMS NOT TO BE ANY NEED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.


Jun 03, 2011
Charity Pick ups in General
by: Anonymous

I have been putting items out every other month for UWVC since last year. I have also been doing the same for LUPUS. This past month of May I had one on the 19th and one on the 26th for each of them, rare for both in the same month.

I realized it's the same truck picking up for both charities. These charities get pennies on the pound, no where near the value of what you donate. It's like the boxes at the supermarkets that popped up EVERYWHERE. The charity gets a donation. Schools run clothing drives as well and one school had a FULL Truck load of clothing, all wearable and earned about $250.

This is a big business and the charities get little but they get something. The charities could not possibly collect, go through, store and sell as much as is being collected. So, it's big business for some, and small but some donations to the charities.

I don't like it that I think I'm giving a $50 set of brass book ends thinking UWVC will sell them for say $15 or $20 but they get about 50 cents. But on the flip side, I would have to either throw stuff in the garbage or cart it away at my expense. So for some days it's a win-win situation.

But these charity pickups are mostly 3rd parties that make money off of the name of the charity.

By the way, the phone call solicitors from Diabetes and Cancer society are also 3rd parties that make almost 60% of what you give and the charity gets little in CASH. So if you give to them, find out if the caller is a 3rd Party telemarketer or a direct employee of the charity. Call the charity up yourself and send the donation directly then they get 100%.

One last thing, the telemarketers calling for donations are NOT PROTECTED from the Do Not Call registry, only the employees of the charities are. Diabetes was calling me 4 times a day until I learned this part of the law and blasted the woman and finally it's been 2 weeks since my last call.


Jun 14, 2011
I will keep donating
by: Leslie-Rose

I have been donating to the UWVC for almost a year. I have never received a telephone call or verbal request unless I request one as a reminder for a scheduled pick-up I have arranged.

All I know is they came from New York during the largest snow storm we had and picked up my donation, which I think is pretty awesome.

Donate or don't donate, but do what you can to help our military and their families.


Jul 26, 2011
Spread the Wealth
by: Diane

I've read everything here and I just want to say... I'm amazed at how expensive a parade is. Cities charge fees and permits and policing. I know Paterson, NJ doesn't have many parades for that reason.

I do feel Veterans should be acknowledged and a parade is a wonderful way to do it.

Each time I clean out my house, I call a different charity to collect the items. I shop at the Salvation Army and Good Will stores whenever I pass their stores.

UWVC called me, so I will go through my closets and put a bag or two out for them. Thanks for listening.


Nov 05, 2011
Coincidence?
by: Sue DeCarolis

We had a pick up for clothing on 11/3 & our house was broken into during the time frame that the truck came to our house & the time the mailman noticed our front door kicked in.

Very odd that when we called the United War Vets Council to speak to the drivers, the truck came back with a supervisor following, 2 illegal immigrants with the driver & we were told that the truck was pulled over in the next town as a home robbery had occurred where the truck was.

Very strange that our house was broken into & the truck just happened to be where there was another robbery. Of course, the drivers of the truck know you are not at home.


Nov 10, 2011
Give thanks and save the earth too!
by: Helen in NJ

I was interested in everyone's input concerning UWVC. In these difficult economic times, every charity needs our support. The veteran's are in most need of our prayers, and to keep them in the forefront of our minds as long as they exist. We must never forget what they have sacrificed for our freedom and safety.

If you are not comfortable with how this organization of mostly veteran volunteers salutes our military, there are many other legitimate charities to contribute to. I'm happy to give what my family no longer wants or needs. They are doing me and my community a great service by picking up the items so they don't end up in a garbage dump.

If your belongings hold great value, research some local consignment shops.

Bottom line...it's all for the good of others.


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